"Is Non-Vegetarian Food Permitted Or Prohibited For The Human Being? Part -2"

You can prevent them - There are proteins, which I will come to it later on. And to counter argue that, they are giving example of, ‘Yadunath Singh Naik’ - Has any body heard of him? - ‘Yadunath Singh Naik’… in the army. It is mentioned in the book ‘Vegetarian or Non Vegetarian - Choose for yourself ’, by Gopinath Agarwal -Yadunath Naik being a Vegetarian in the army, in wrestling, he defeated two Non-Vegetarians - therefore Veg. food makes you strong. I feel ashamed to reply to this argument… I feel ashamed. It is a known fact that the title holders of world wrestling… Yes, there are Vegetarian wrestlers also… but if you compare with the full world, almost all the title holders of world wrestling, are Non-Veg. The person known in body building… maximum… Who is he? - Arnold Schwarzneger! Thirteen times world titles, he got - Seven as Mr. Olmpia, five as Mr. Universe, and one, as Mr. World. What was he?… Veg. or Non-Veg.? - Non-Veg.! The boxer Mohammed Ali… Cascius Clay… Non-Veg.! - Mike Tyson… Non-Veg.! Yes of course, Non-Veg. food does add to the strength… that is a scientific fact. That is the reason that if you analyze, that when a person is convalesing from a disease, it is preferable… Non-Veg. food - Not that you have to have Non-Veg., it is preferable… egg, etc.- I will come to it later on. And then they give an example of a wrestler… Professor Ram Murthy - Never heard his name. He says he is a world famous wrestler - Who has heard of him?. Any one has heard of him?… Prof. Ram Murthy? No one - World famous…

Where did he get this news from?… World famous. Then he gave the example of Paramjit Singh in London… pure Vegetarian, who skips 2000 times a day - therefore vegetarian food makes you an athlete. If these are the arguments… supposed to be scientific, I really feel ashamed. Most of the athletic record holders… here is the Guinness Book… you can go through it - I have brought it along here… all mentioned, about body building… body building, athletic, hundred metres dash. All these people, if at random also you check up their, dietetic history - Even giving benefit of doubt, more than 80 to 90 % will be Non-Veg. But I will be a fanatic, if I say that all these records are only due to the diets… I will be a fanatic - A few records may be related to the diet, but not all. Further argument that he gave, that… ‘The smell and the sight of a Carnivorous animal is strong, the night vision is strong’ - As Mr. Rashmibhai Zaveri said… ‘Night vision and sense of smell is strong in Carnivorous… in Herbivorous, it is less… in human beings it is less, therefore we should be Vegetarian. There are Herbivorous animals like the ‘Bee’ whose sense of smell is very strong, and they even have a very good night vision. See, these arguments, which are not scientific, may be useful in a debate to convince the people illogically - Therefore I am here. Then he gave the example… ‘You know animals have hoarse voice… you know, coarse voice - the Carnivorous animals - Herbivorous animals do not have coarse voice.’ I want to ask you a simple question - Which animal is maximum known for a hoarse voice? - Donkey! Veg. or Non-Veg.? Veg. or Non-Veg.? Veg.! Anyway, by no means am I trying to prove that Vegetarian food creates hoarse voice, or Non-Vegetarian food creates melodious voice. If you see the list of singers, many are Non-Veg.… many are Veg. also. So just by quoting singers who are Vegetarian - ‘Oh! that is why Vegetarian diet makes you melodious’... is all illogical arguments - Really I feel ashamed to answer all these things. And he gave certain ‘Economic’ points… that is economic reason, why we should have Vegetarian food - It is more economical, according to Mr. Zaveri. And he gave several statistics - so many calories, so many this, so many tons of protein, which are mentioned here - From where they get this statistics, God alone knows. And he mentioned some protein… it is also mentioned in this book, that 1 kg. of animal protein that we get, we have to feed so many plants, etc., therefore it is equivalent to 7 kgs. of Veg. protein. So if you are having meat… for 1 kg. protein, you are taking 7 kg. vegetables - therefore vegetable is cheaper. How they get this kg. of proteins, - I being a medical doctor do not realize - Is it kg. of food, or kg. of protein? And if agree with him... I agree with him - you say for sake of argument, 2 + 2 is 5,.. I agree - and I ask you that you take 2 rupees... take 2 rupees, and give me 5 rupees - take 2000, take 2000, give me 5000. Similarly, If I agree it is right… all their statistics, then I tell, that the Vegetarians, they should thank the Non-Vegetarians. You know why?… because if we would not have slaughtered the animals for food, it would have lived for another five to ten years, and in that time it would have the vegetables of 7 to 8 peoples for a few years. So you should thank us for preventing the animals from eating your vegetable food. Further more, he gave the calculation from some record… from where I do not know, 1:14 the land that you graze, required for animal, is 14 times more than the land required for food, etc. Same example is given here, that the land required to produce one ton of beef - the same land you can feed 5 average families. One ton of beef is equivalent to 10 or 20 tons of Veg. food, and the land required to graze an animal, can raise 5 average families. My earlier argument also holds good here - But besides that, these ideological Vegetarians… they fail to realize that the animals graze on land which is unsuitable for growing crops. They eat the plants which is inedible for the human beings… like husk and stocks… corn stocks. They do not eat plants which are edible for the human being - Yes! they can eat… But when they enter the fields, the farmer, but natural, takes them out of the field - Why to cause loss? Yes, if we have excess of crop, etc., there are certain governments who even feed them. And there are Nomadic populations who make their living, by grazing animals on land which is unsuitable for crop growing - But they eat the vegetation which is inedible to the human being and they make their living - Even the animal lives, even the human being lives. And today according to U.N report, about 23% approximately, of the land in the world is used for pastures, 23% for forest, less than 10% for cultivation, the remaining 45% majority can yet be used for growing crops. Why don’t you use that?… Why you are running after the food of the animals?… Poor living creatures… let them live, let them eat - Why you are stopping them from eating? If the Non-Vegetarians stop slaughtering the cattle, do you know that, there will be over population of cattle… over population. I am aware that human beings… they raise animals for food - that means, by methods, they increase the multiplication of the animals. But if suppose I agree that from today, all Non-Vegetarians stop raising animals for food, and stop killing them for food, yet they will grow in population. You know why?… Human beings… in all these years our population is increasing, even with all the family planning method, with all the birth control… ‘Hum do Humare do’ - Yet we are increasing. There is no birth control method among the cattle, and their gestation is less than the human beings, 5 months to 6 months to 8 months - Less then the human beings and they multiply faster. So if we stop killing and stop raising… yet, within a few decades, we will have problems… not of over population of human beings - of over population of cattle - How you are going to solve it? There are various Nutrition… he talked about ‘Protein’, etc. - if time permits I will speak in the rebuttal. I would like to make a statement of Dr. George R. Kar, which is sufficient to counter all his arguments on health. Dr. George. R. Kar, he is the professor of Nutrition, in the University of Texas. Why I am giving the designation, you can come to know that these people actually specialize in catching health fraud - People who deal in, fraud in health. He says that… ‘Virtually all authors of The diet and Disease books - they propose hypothesis which are untested, ill-tested, unfound, unlikely or disproved’. I would like to repeat - Dr. George R. Kar says… ‘Virtually all authors of books on diet and disease - they propose hypothesis which is ill-tested, unfound, non tested, unlikely or disproved’. Time is running short. I would like to make the statement that is given by ‘The American Council on Science and Health’ - Just a statement…. See they are experts. These quotations of research are not scientific facts… all these quotations… that this causes diseases, that… Some are scientific facts, but they can be prevented, but the others things what is mentioning about this land and that land… these are only statistics done by individual researchers. Even when you do Phd. - you can do a research that will come into account, but will not carry weight. American Council on Science and Health says that... ‘A person need not abstain from meat, and be a Vegetarian to have a healthy diet’. And the topic is not... ‘Veg. or Non-Veg. which is healthier?’ - It is… ‘Is Non-Veg. food, permitted or prohibited for the human beings?’ And I will list out the points in summary, to make it easier for Mr. Zaveri to answer, in the rebuttal.

Point No. 1 - There is not a single major Religion, which bans or prohibits all
Non-Veg. food in general.

Point No. 2 - Geographical places like Arctic, where Eskimos live - how could you have provided food all these years back, and today also if you provide, it is going to be more expensive.

Point No. 3 - If all life is sacred, why do you kill the plants… even they have life.

Point No. 4 - Even plants feel pain.

Point No. 5 - Even if I agree that they have two senses less - killing a creature of two senses less, is a lesser crime… is illogical.

Point No. 6 - It is preferable to kill one animal and take one animal life, than to take 100 lives of plants, for feeding 100 people.

Point No. 7 - Each and every argument can be disproved… the liver and the kidney, HCL, same with saliva, same with the Ph. of the blood, same with the Lipoprotein.

Point No. 8 - The human beings have an Omnivorous set of teeth, for eating Veg. as well as Non-Veg.

PointNo. 9 - They have a digestive system which can digest both Veg. and Non-Veg., and I have proved it scientifically… I have proved by the enzymes.

Point No. 10 - Primitive man was Non-Veg. - So you cannot say... ‘It is prohibited for human beings’ - human beings... means, it is even for that person.

Point No. 11 - The food you eat has an effect on you behavior - but saying that ...
‘Non-Veg food makes you violent’, has got no scientific base at all.

Point No. 12 - Giving arguments that...‘Veg. food makes you strong, makes you peaceful, makes you intelligent makes you athletes’, are all myths.

Point No. 13 - ‘Night vision and sense of smell, is strong in Carnivorous - in Herbivorous it is less’. ‘The Carnivorous animal has hoarse voice, you know coarse voice - Herbivorous animals do not have coarse voice’... are all illogical arguments.

Point No. 14 - ‘That Veg. food is cheaper’… I have disproved it - It is not economical. In certain countries - Yes! like India, it can be - But if you go abroad, in the Western countries, Veg. food is more expensive - And fresh Veg. food is phenomenal… Fresh vegetables. Further more….

Point No. 15 - That... ‘the land required to graze the animal, will cause scarcity of the land for growing crops’... is also wrong.

Point No. 16 - If the Non-Vegetarians stop slaughtering the cattle… do you know, that there will be over population of cattle.

Point No. 17 - According to Dr. Kar… ‘These books written by dietitians, they cannot be relied upon’. All these statistics given, are mainly from there.

Point No. 18 -There is not a single statement in any authentic medical book which says... ‘Non-Veg. food in general, should be banned’.

Point No. 19 - There is not a single government on the face of the earth, which has banned all Non-Veg. food, as a general rule. And,

Point No. 20 - that even ‘ The American Council on Science and Health’ has said that...‘For a healthy diet, being a pure Vegetarian is not required’. These are sufficient proofs, logical and scientific, that Non-Veg. food has to be permitted. If Mr. Zaveri does not agree, I request him to answer scientifically - not by comparison on just ‘Researches’. But yet, if Mr. Rashmibhai Zaveri does not reply to more than 20 points which I have put forth, yet I will not ask him to become a Non-Veg. - because I am not a fanatic Non-Vegetarian… I am not. Yet if he wants to continue eating vegetarian food, I have got no objection - It is a personal choice… It is a personal choice. Some people like… due to certain taste, etc. - it is a personal choice. And, only thing I would like to tell the people that… the Vegetarians, the ideological Vegetarians who do so much propaganda that... ‘This has got more value, etc.’ - they should stop such things, and stop distributing these type of books, which mislead the people. I would like to end my talk by given a quotation from the Glorious Qur’an, from Surah Nahl, Chapter 16, Verse 125, which says... (Arabic)… That is… ‘Invite all to the ways of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching, and argue with them, and reason with them in the ways that are best and most gracious’. Wa Aakhiru Dawana Anil Hamdullillahi Rabbil Aalameen.